Comments on: Pratibha Patil, Purdah And Prejudice http://indianmuslims.in/pratibha-patil-purdah-and-prejudice/ A Window Into The Indian Muslim Life Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:21:41 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Achal http://indianmuslims.in/pratibha-patil-purdah-and-prejudice/comment-page-1/#comment-25207 Achal Fri, 24 Aug 2007 00:05:25 +0000 http://indianmuslims.in/pratibha-patil-purdah-and-prejudice/#comment-25207 Relax dude. No need to get worked up. What I meant was that if a muslim woman wears the burqa and does not get the job say in a restaurant (Which the restaurant owner feels he is entilted to as it can effect his business, the same point that vichara raised) she cannot complain about such things and term it as discrimination. Just like she has a choice to wear or not to wear, the employer has a similar choice. Relax dude. No need to get worked up.

What I meant was that if a muslim woman wears the burqa and does not get the job say in a restaurant (Which the restaurant owner feels he is entilted to as it can effect his business, the same point that vichara raised) she cannot complain about such things and term it as discrimination. Just like she has a choice to wear or not to wear, the employer has a similar choice.

]]> By: Mohib http://indianmuslims.in/pratibha-patil-purdah-and-prejudice/comment-page-1/#comment-25204 Mohib Thu, 23 Aug 2007 23:52:51 +0000 http://indianmuslims.in/pratibha-patil-purdah-and-prejudice/#comment-25204 Achal: [quote post="271"]I think what one wears is his personal choice but he must be prepared to face the consequences of his choices.[/quote] What do you mean by consequences of his choices? A Sikh being discriminated against in employment in New York Transit System on account of him wearing turban is okay with you? Achal:

[quote post="271"]I think what one wears is his personal choice but he must be prepared to face the consequences of his choices.[/quote]

What do you mean by consequences of his choices? A Sikh being discriminated against in employment in New York Transit System on account of him wearing turban is okay with you?

]]> By: Achal http://indianmuslims.in/pratibha-patil-purdah-and-prejudice/comment-page-1/#comment-25200 Achal Thu, 23 Aug 2007 23:38:56 +0000 http://indianmuslims.in/pratibha-patil-purdah-and-prejudice/#comment-25200 I think what one wears is his personal choice but he must be prepared to face the consequences of his choices. I think the taxpayers money has to be spent that no one community benefits from it , while everybody generally benefits. I think reservations is a completely ridiculous idea and is a far cry from a meritocratic society, which is what India should become. It is simply unfair to those that are denied jobs because of such reservations.The point of Muslim nurses is interesting and should be looked closely. It does point towards the fact that some part of the backwardness of muslim society can be attributed to the choices they are making and the gap that exists in thier thinking. Why they dont compete with the christian nurses is something they should look at. Is it because of social pressures within thier society, or some sort of religious mindset? These need to be answered and dwelved upon. I think what one wears is his personal choice but he must be prepared to face the consequences of his choices. I think the taxpayers money has to be spent that no one community benefits from it , while everybody generally benefits. I think reservations is a completely ridiculous idea and is a far cry from a meritocratic society, which is what India should become. It is simply unfair to those that are denied jobs because of such reservations.The point of Muslim nurses is interesting and should be looked closely. It does point towards the fact that some part of the backwardness of muslim society can be attributed to the choices they are making and the gap that exists in thier thinking. Why they dont compete with the christian nurses is something they should look at. Is it because of social pressures within thier society, or some sort of religious mindset? These need to be answered and dwelved upon.

]]> By: asad mustafa http://indianmuslims.in/pratibha-patil-purdah-and-prejudice/comment-page-1/#comment-25099 asad mustafa Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:03:25 +0000 http://indianmuslims.in/pratibha-patil-purdah-and-prejudice/#comment-25099 You are right John! You know, Hindu married women wearing sindoor and mangalsutra also stand out in crowd; so they should stop wearing them. And all Indian women wearing sari-s also stand out; so, they should wear only skirt and top. And all sikhs wearing turban also stand out; so, they should not wear turbans. And many muslims sporting beards also stand out, so they should stop having beards. And many brahmins putting sandalwood tika on their forehead also stand out; therefore..... Hey whatever happened to 'unity in diversity'? You are right John!

You know, Hindu married women wearing sindoor and mangalsutra also stand out in crowd; so they should stop wearing them. And all Indian women wearing sari-s also stand out; so, they should wear only skirt and top. And all sikhs wearing turban also stand out; so, they should not wear turbans. And many muslims sporting beards also stand out, so they should stop having beards. And many brahmins putting sandalwood tika on their forehead also stand out; therefore…..

Hey whatever happened to ‘unity in diversity’?

]]> By: Sharique http://indianmuslims.in/pratibha-patil-purdah-and-prejudice/comment-page-1/#comment-25074 Sharique Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:29:51 +0000 http://indianmuslims.in/pratibha-patil-purdah-and-prejudice/#comment-25074 John, !!?? What an insane logic? John,

!!??
What an insane logic?

]]> By: John http://indianmuslims.in/pratibha-patil-purdah-and-prejudice/comment-page-1/#comment-25018 John Wed, 22 Aug 2007 00:48:21 +0000 http://indianmuslims.in/pratibha-patil-purdah-and-prejudice/#comment-25018 Muslim women say they wear the hijab to be ‘modest’ and to focus on ‘inner beauty’. What they do by wearing the hijab in the United States is to stick out like a sort thumb and draw attention to themselves. It says, for all intents and purposes, ‘look at me! I’m wearing a hijab! I am a devout Muslim woman! look at me! look at me!’ There is nothing ‘modest’ at all about wearing a hijab in the United States. For the vast majority of these women, if they did NOT wear a hijab, no one would give them a second look. Pop a hijab on and they are suddenly the center of attention! It’s all about standing out and craving attention from others. Muslim women say they wear the hijab to be ‘modest’ and to focus on ‘inner beauty’. What they do by wearing the hijab in the United States is to stick out like a sort thumb and draw attention to themselves. It says, for all intents and purposes, ‘look at me! I’m wearing a hijab! I am a devout Muslim woman! look at me! look at me!’ There is nothing ‘modest’ at all about wearing a hijab in the United States. For the vast majority of these women, if they did NOT wear a hijab, no one would give them a second look. Pop a hijab on and they are suddenly the center of attention! It’s all about standing out and craving attention from others.

]]> By: Amit http://indianmuslims.in/pratibha-patil-purdah-and-prejudice/comment-page-1/#comment-21375 Amit Sun, 08 Jul 2007 21:32:10 +0000 http://indianmuslims.in/pratibha-patil-purdah-and-prejudice/#comment-21375 Here in the US, I've seen women wear <i>hijab</i> (scarf covering hair and neck) and <i>niqab</i> (though with the face uncovered) but not <i>burqa</i>. I think it would be really difficult for a woman here in the US to wear a <i>burqa</i> outdoors when mingling with other people, and will probably alarm a lot of people who will make instant judgments based on that. As I've mentioned in another post, I think it's best a woman's personal choice and should never be forced on her. If she is living and working in a Western country, she may have to compromise by wearing a <i>hijab</i> depending on the job conditions and the rules/laws of the country. My questions is: if it's men who are so unable to control their impure thoughts and emotions, why don't they wear a burqa?? That also will solve the problem of them having impure thoughts. Why expect others to wear something when it is one's own emotions and thoughts? One must take responsibility for one's own thoughts/emotions - asking women to wear <i>niqab</i> or <i>burqa</i> because I'm having impure thoughts is simply sexist. It makes <b>someone else</b> unfairly responsible for <b>my</b> feelings. And, to turn this around, aren't women capable of having impure thoughts when they look at a man's face, eyes, hair? So, by the same logic, if women should cover up, then men should also wear a <i>burqa</i>. Let's see how well that goes. Or, do women's feelings and thoughts don't matter? And, it's not a choice between a. <i>burqa</i> being modest, and b. everything else (that is, no <i>hijab/burqa</i>) being immodest. One can still dress modestly without wearing <i>hijab</i>, <i>niqab</i> or <i>burqa</i>. Here in the US, I’ve seen women wear hijab (scarf covering hair and neck) and niqab (though with the face uncovered) but not burqa. I think it would be really difficult for a woman here in the US to wear a burqa outdoors when mingling with other people, and will probably alarm a lot of people who will make instant judgments based on that.

As I’ve mentioned in another post, I think it’s best a woman’s personal choice and should never be forced on her. If she is living and working in a Western country, she may have to compromise by wearing a hijab depending on the job conditions and the rules/laws of the country.

My questions is: if it’s men who are so unable to control their impure thoughts and emotions, why don’t they wear a burqa?? That also will solve the problem of them having impure thoughts. Why expect others to wear something when it is one’s own emotions and thoughts? One must take responsibility for one’s own thoughts/emotions – asking women to wear niqab or burqa because I’m having impure thoughts is simply sexist. It makes someone else unfairly responsible for my feelings.

And, to turn this around, aren’t women capable of having impure thoughts when they look at a man’s face, eyes, hair? So, by the same logic, if women should cover up, then men should also wear a burqa. Let’s see how well that goes. Or, do women’s feelings and thoughts don’t matter?

And, it’s not a choice between
a. burqa being modest, and
b. everything else (that is, no hijab/burqa) being immodest.

One can still dress modestly without wearing hijab, niqab or burqa.

]]> By: abhilash shastry http://indianmuslims.in/pratibha-patil-purdah-and-prejudice/comment-page-1/#comment-21324 abhilash shastry Sat, 07 Jul 2007 22:24:05 +0000 http://indianmuslims.in/pratibha-patil-purdah-and-prejudice/#comment-21324 Great debate, guys. Keep it up! We need such informative and dispassionate discussions. Great debate, guys. Keep it up! We need such informative and dispassionate discussions.

]]> By: Madam President « The Blog Critic http://indianmuslims.in/pratibha-patil-purdah-and-prejudice/comment-page-1/#comment-20522 Madam President « The Blog Critic Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:14:23 +0000 http://indianmuslims.in/pratibha-patil-purdah-and-prejudice/#comment-20522 [...] back to Pratibha Patil, her first statement regarding the purdah system prevalent in Rajasthan and then the divine premonition. Not just her [...] [...] back to Pratibha Patil, her first statement regarding the purdah system prevalent in Rajasthan and then the divine premonition. Not just her [...]

]]> By: Madam President at IndianMuslims.in http://indianmuslims.in/pratibha-patil-purdah-and-prejudice/comment-page-1/#comment-20512 Madam President at IndianMuslims.in Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:20:57 +0000 http://indianmuslims.in/pratibha-patil-purdah-and-prejudice/#comment-20512 [...] back to Pratibha Patil, her first statement regarding the purdah system prevalent in Rajasthan and then the divine premonition. Not just her [...] [...] back to Pratibha Patil, her first statement regarding the purdah system prevalent in Rajasthan and then the divine premonition. Not just her [...]

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