I already did! When no Arabs would raise a finger, the USA saved both Saudi Arabia & Kuwait.

When no Muslims would move one man to help, the USA put its men in harms way in Libya, Somalia, Indonesia, Kosovo.

Nobody gives more aid, or money to Muslims than the USA.

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USA first goes drop a couple of bombs, goes in for regime change, destroys the infrastructure.
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The USA did not destroy the infrastructure! What possible evidence have you of this? The roads weren’t mined! The highways and bridges weren’t destroyed anywhere that was not required. The USA could have easily destroyed all of the cities without losting one man, but they did not.
ASK YOURSELF WHY? It is much cheaper and MUCH SAFER to send in a few B52s with dumb bombs and just carpet all of baghdad, but the USA took the more dangerous and expensive route, ask yourself WHY?!

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Then it comes with the Aid, just go to google and check out to whom the US aided Iraqi Government is exporting all the Oil now? it is the US!!!
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The war-for-oil argument is a sham to anyone who can ADD OR SUBTRACT! Surely you can do this. Iraq has an antiquated system that has not met production goals since 2004. Still, private and public enterprises have invested alot of money in order to bring the system up to speed but it’s still got a long way to go.

The bottom line however is this: THE USA WILL NOT RECOUP ITS WAR FUNDS FROM OIL! Again: The War costs more than the return from oil.

For one: OIL REVENUES GO BACK TO IRAQ!!! They don’t go to any American phantom fund. On the contrary, Oil makes up a huge % of the Iraqi economy (I’ve seen figures as low as 40% to as high as 90%) and this money goes to rebuild parts of the nation damaged by a violent civil war.

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Yes, i agree we have problems in our homes, which we will sort out on our own, and we don’t need any assistance from the Americans.
And BTW if alone democracy was to come to middle east today, US would be the biggest loser.
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Yes, you have problems in your homes… The WEST has given you decade upon decade upon decade to take care of them but then YOUR PROBLEMS STARTED AFFECTING THE WEST! Jihadist mindset became part of mainstream Islamic culture, spurned by rampant illiteracy and a generation of young men taught that Shehade & Jihad are greater aspirations than gaining an education and raising a balanced family. This Jihad has hit America, it has hit America’s allies and Bush and others were smart enough to realize that sitting on their hands would just increase the issue.

Bill Clinton sat on his hands for eight years, he LET YOU SORT OUT THE PROBLEM IN YOUR OWN HOMES and THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS LOST THEIR LIVES AS A RESULT! Al Qaeda grew, they trained, they entrenched and they fortified. THey gained popularity with every unchallenged attack and all this culmonated in September 11th.

We were happy letting you “sort out your own problems” but some people in your population took those problems and made them OUR PROBLEM! Yes, when your issues lead you to attack the USA, it becomes the USA problem. Similarly, the world has waited almost 30 years for the oft-touted Iranian Street to rise-up and oust that corrupt regime. Iran is a capable nation, with a good, Western inclined (democracy, pluralism, open-mindedness) and young population yet this population hasn’t done a thing to stop their nation from bringing the region closer to WWIII. As a result, their inaction has made their problem, the Wests and Israel’s problem. YOU ONLY HAVE SO LONG TO FIX “YOUR PROBLEM”, WHEN IT EVENTUALLY LEAKS OUT AND AFFECTS OTHERS THE TIME FOR YOU TO FIX IT IS OVER, IT THEN BECOMES OUR PROBLEM AS WELL. From neighbourhood politics upward to international affairs – This is how the world works!!!

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And about the Kosovo issue, during the Bosnian war, the americans and the EU impose a Arms embargo and also the serbs to massacre and rape muslims, then when the situation is ripe, the Americans go to war with Serbia.

…And about he Dutch peace keeping efforts in Bosnia, check the below link. The dutch simple let the Serbs Kill and Rape muslims.
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What an absurd statement, what an absurd notion… For one, your facts are absurd. So it’s America’s fault? Where was Pakistan? Where was Saudi Arabia? Where was Egypt? All these nations had the power to easily oust the Serbs… WHERE WERE YOU?!

And this conflict had more to do than Serbs killing and raping Muslims. This was an Ameircan propaganda line that you seem to have adopted (interesting). The fact is that since the war ended, evidence has come out that SHATTERS the Kosovar figures. They claimed massive body-counts and outright genocide yet the bones uncovered ABSOLUTELY DO NOT support these figures.

I am not saying this was not a tragic conflict, that it would not have become a genocide – but let’s not forget that the KLA was a terrorist organization. LEts not forget the Muslim crimes against the Serbs. Since the fall of the Ottoman Empire, the Balkans have been a volatile region, the fall and breakup of Yugoslavia ignited this timber and all sides have committed unspeakable attrocities!

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All i would say is that the Americans and the EU simply waited till the number of dead and killed came to 50000 then stepped in to teach their former cold war opponent a lesson.
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50,000?! Where, OH WHERE, did you come up with this number?! Are you aware that many now doubt the number is even 10,000?
Heck, nobody knows, but they are still trying to figure it out nearly a decade later.

See: http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/pearl123199.htm

The ARabs that wanted to come back to Israel after the 1948 war did so. The proof? It’s in the demographics! Israel is made up of 1,000,000 mostly Muslim Arabs, they were granted full citizenship and the rights that come with this.

The Nakba is a myth and a lie that makes no sense to those of us who know the history. Exactly how do you explain the so-called Nakba when today the Arabs control 83% of British Mandate Palestine (Jordan=70% + Gaza + parts of Judea = 13%)?

BTW: I don’t want to hijack this topic, too often this happens when this topic is introduced. If you want a respectful, open-minded debate then do feel free to visit me at http colon slash slash wingless dot aoriginality dot com (I spell it like that so this post isn’t trashed by spam filters).

Faraaz:
First go read the Quraan and understand your roots. A muslim is one who lives as per the Quraan, and for muslims in Iraq who are being slaughtered by Americans day in and day out Jihaad is the only way for them to chase the Americans away.

And to everyone out here:
Who say why should muslims care about the shooting of Quraan. I have Question for you would you close your eyes, if i burn the Gita in New Delhi or better yet in Ahmedabad (like how the VHP did in New Delhi)?
When a muslim does something bad, you all ask questions to us? But when something is done against muslims, we are asked to simple avoid it? Just look at yourself and your cowardice.

Infact the more i read this forum the more conviction i get that Muslims must look after and solve their problems.

Wingless:
About so much talking of USA helping muslims, show me the damn proof. USA first goes drop a couple of bombs, goes in for regime change, destroys the infrastructure.
Then it comes with the Aid, just go to google and check out to whom the US aided Iraqi Government is exporting all the Oil now? it is the US!!!
Yes, i agree we have problems in our homes, which we will sort out on our own, and we don’t need any assistance from the Americans.
And BTW if alone democracy was to come to middle east today, US would be the biggest loser.
And about the Kosovo issue, during the Bosnian war, the americans and the EU impose a Arms embargo and also the serbs to massacre and rape muslims, then when the situation is ripe, the Americans go to war with Serbia. Well the american involvement was purely in lines with the cold war mentality of going to war with a country which is behind the Iron Curtain. Today only Serbia and Russia still have some of their soviet legacy.
And about he Dutch peace keeping efforts in Bosnia, check the below link. The dutch simple let the Serbs Kill and Rape muslims.
All i would say is that the Americans and the EU simply waited till the number of dead and killed came to 50000 then stepped in to teach their former cold war opponent a lesson.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1037403/Europes-worst-genocide-Hitler-How-Dutch-peacekeepers-looked-Karadzics-men-butchered-8-000-Srebrenica.html

And do you realize that this quote ” Inshallah by each passing day we are one step closer to the complete collapse of US by the Iraqi Jihad.” can be misinterpretted in many different way??

The problem in Iraq is political..simply a political issue..it is not about jihad, it is not about Islam..it is not about religion!

As for your comments on Iraq, I am not sure if you are misguided or just plain ignorant. HOW DARE YOU WISH AGAINST THE USE WHEN THE USA HAS DONE MORE FOR MUSLIMS THAN ANY NATION ON EARTH?!
When the Muslims of Kosovo needed aid, it was the USA who went to war with Serbia.
When the Muslims of Somalia needed help against rampant warlordism and corruption, America sent troops, food and money
Libya, Darfur, Iraq – no conflict is perfect but the winners in thsi will eventually be the citizens. That is, if they wake up and realize who the real enemy is. The real enemy are those who hate stability and freedom. Give peace a bloody chance instead of always raising your AK-47s. Comparing American liberation to Soviet conquest is so absurd it’s laughable. Americans are dying because they are choosing to use ground troops, which are expensive to operate and much easier to kill. Americans are dying to minimize civilian Muslim deaths. The USA could have fought the war from the sky, levelling the entire nation with bombs and turning it into a parking lot. It did NOT because it is a moral nation. Not perfect, but far better than these nations who flap their lips and never do anything about the suffering in the world.

The #1 provider of aid, both financial, food, medicine is…THE USA!

If you want to fight a JIHAD, then fight a JIHAD AGAINST THE SINGLE GREATEST KILLER OF MUSLIMS IN THE WORLD… OTHER MUSLIMS!
If you want to fight for CHANGE, then fight against the OPPRESSIVE REGIMES! Your enemies are not named George, Tony or Ehud – their names are Moamar, Husni, Muhmoud, Hafez & Abdullah!!!

The greatest tragedy of the Middle East is not Israel or the United States. The greatest tragedy of the MidEast is that for Muslims to have ability to vote, run for parliament, have freedom of sexuality & religion – they need to live in Israel! Muslims in Israel (aka Arab or Muslim Israelis) are freest, healthiest, longest lived, happiest Arabs in the Middle East. They are the only Arabs who can vote, win seats in Parliament (there are always Arab “palestinians” in Israeli government), sit on the Supreme Court (yes, a Palestinian has sat on Israelis supreme court) and have true freedom. Isn’t it sad and ironic that Muslims need a Jewish State in order to be free?

That’s what you should be fighting, NOTHING ELSE!
GET YOUR HOUSE IN ORDER! ONLY THEN SHOULD YOU LOOK TO YOUR NEIGHBOURS AS THE CAUSE OF YOUR WOES.

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Secondly, I cannot understand how Muslims express such outrage when their media and culture are CHOCK FULL OF DISRESPECT AND INTOLERANCE TOWARDS OTHERS!!! NOT A WEEK GOES BY WHEN JEWS OR CHRISTIANS ARE NOT MADE FUN OF IN OFFENSIVE CARTOONS. NO A WEEK GOES BY WITHOUT THOUSANDS OF IMAMS WORLDWIDE CALLING FOR THE DEATH OF THE FILTHY PIG JEWS AND CRUSADER CHRISTIANS. On Television, the Elders of the Protocols of Zion are shown. The meaning of Zionism, the eternal right of the Jews to return to the home they were exiled from is perverted, and called racism by Muslims. Effigies of world leaders, even religious leaders are BURNED and STOMPED. Flags of nations are also desecrated. The Jews & Christians are pictured as pigs, dogs, rapists and killers. THIS IS MAINSTREAM MEDIA IN THE MUSLIM WORLD and PEOPLE DO NOT SAY A THING… Yet if somebody, especially a non-Muslim even drops a Quran accidently, people riot!

When cartoonists drew Muhammed there was rioting in the streets; what does this say? Do the cartoonists not have a right to express their views? Is it only Islam that must be respected?… Every time such things occur Muslims express outrage and cite it as PROOF of Western plans for domination… The double-standard is so apparent, so visible so absolutely undeniable…

Bottom Line is this: The world is a diverse place and as economies become international we will all be more exposed to this diversity. One needs to realize that just as they have freedoms, others have freedoms as well.
To put it another way: Just as you have the right NOT to draw Muhammed, to pray several times a day and to respect the Koran — Mr. X has the right to believe the Koran is an evil book to be ripped up and flushed… So long neither of you infringes upon one anothers freedoms or rights, all is well…
NO CRIME,
NO FOUL

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