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		<title>By: sshama</title>
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		<dc:creator>sshama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 10:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kaleem:- Brilliant article!!!! Good to read your posts.

@Qazi mairaj:- Well written!!! I think we should encourage more pakistanis to visit this blog so that we come to know their point of view and their perspective, so that any information related to pakistan can be prevented from getting politicised and distorted.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kaleem:- Brilliant article!!!! Good to read your posts.</p>
<p>@Qazi mairaj:- Well written!!! I think we should encourage more pakistanis to visit this blog so that we come to know their point of view and their perspective, so that any information related to pakistan can be prevented from getting politicised and distorted.</p>
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		<title>By: Ramesh Naidoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ramesh Naidoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Kaleem Kwaja,

Aurangzeb, as mentioned by you, was not a noble soul.

Please visit &quot;Aurangzeb, as he was according to Mughal Records&quot;

http://according-to-mughal-records.blogspot.com/ 

Please check your facts correctly before writing.

Warm regards

Ramesh Naidoo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Kaleem Kwaja,</p>
<p>Aurangzeb, as mentioned by you, was not a noble soul.</p>
<p>Please visit &#8220;Aurangzeb, as he was according to Mughal Records&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://according-to-mughal-records.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://according-to-mughal-records.blogspot.com/</a> </p>
<p>Please check your facts correctly before writing.</p>
<p>Warm regards</p>
<p>Ramesh Naidoo</p>
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		<title>By: Sudie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sudie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaleem
I think you in a way supported my assertion. It requires education, exposure to different cultures to develop the maturity to respect a different point of view and also not be insecure about one self. I think we see greater religious and caste fanatics in educationally deficient sections of society, be it rural or urban India. Even in a first world country like the US there are enough people who follow religion blindly. Many people in the US do not accept the theory of evolution. Some mature Mughal kings did implement laws that were acceptable to the majority Hindu population. Some for good administration and some like Akbar, maybe for more ideological reasons. Eitherways history should be used to learn lessons from and not settle scores. The fact that politicians can sway us through hate shows that the devil resides within us. It is when we can control our own biases that we can improve as individuals and as a society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaleem<br />
I think you in a way supported my assertion. It requires education, exposure to different cultures to develop the maturity to respect a different point of view and also not be insecure about one self. I think we see greater religious and caste fanatics in educationally deficient sections of society, be it rural or urban India. Even in a first world country like the US there are enough people who follow religion blindly. Many people in the US do not accept the theory of evolution. Some mature Mughal kings did implement laws that were acceptable to the majority Hindu population. Some for good administration and some like Akbar, maybe for more ideological reasons. Eitherways history should be used to learn lessons from and not settle scores. The fact that politicians can sway us through hate shows that the devil resides within us. It is when we can control our own biases that we can improve as individuals and as a society.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaleem Kawaja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaleem Kawaja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sudie,
One of my close friends, a Hindu man from India is married to a Muslim woman from Pakistan for about 25 years.  They live in US.  They are practicing though not orthodox Hindu and Muslim respectively.  Each of them continue to practice their respective faiths, participate in religious festivals of their respective faiths.  Each one accomodates the religion of the other without taking part in the purely religious observances of the others&#039; faith.

It is not necessary for one spouse to convert into the religious faith of the other, or for them to become irreligious. They each can follow the laws of their individual religions.  Although some conflicts are bound to happen. I want to acknowledge the fact that inter-faith marriages do impose a lot of tension on both spouses, especially as they get older, and in old age when all people tend to become more religious, and most of all on the children from such marriages.  I think this tension is significantly more than what inter-race marriages impose. 

Even among the White folks in US where the society has very few religious elements, I have observed that in many interfaith marriages one spouse does convert into the religion of the other; for instance converting from Jewish faith to Christianity and vice versa. 

Yet, I want to clarify that while Islamic sources permit Muslims to marry Christians and Jews - the religions of the book, it does not permit a Muslim marrying someone from other religions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sudie,<br />
One of my close friends, a Hindu man from India is married to a Muslim woman from Pakistan for about 25 years.  They live in US.  They are practicing though not orthodox Hindu and Muslim respectively.  Each of them continue to practice their respective faiths, participate in religious festivals of their respective faiths.  Each one accomodates the religion of the other without taking part in the purely religious observances of the others&#8217; faith.</p>
<p>It is not necessary for one spouse to convert into the religious faith of the other, or for them to become irreligious. They each can follow the laws of their individual religions.  Although some conflicts are bound to happen. I want to acknowledge the fact that inter-faith marriages do impose a lot of tension on both spouses, especially as they get older, and in old age when all people tend to become more religious, and most of all on the children from such marriages.  I think this tension is significantly more than what inter-race marriages impose. </p>
<p>Even among the White folks in US where the society has very few religious elements, I have observed that in many interfaith marriages one spouse does convert into the religion of the other; for instance converting from Jewish faith to Christianity and vice versa. </p>
<p>Yet, I want to clarify that while Islamic sources permit Muslims to marry Christians and Jews &#8211; the religions of the book, it does not permit a Muslim marrying someone from other religions.</p>
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		<title>By: Sudie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sudie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaleem
I&#039;m interested to find out about your opinion on Hindu-Muslim marriages. If a Muslim lady marries a Hindu , in your opinion, is she required to change her religion and follow the Hindu law? Or on the other hand a reverse happens, is the Hindu lady required to change her religion and follow Shariah. What if they decide to follow the secular law of the land and hold on to their own individual religions, albeit in a modern secular manner.  In your opinion are they irreligious people? I have a few friends who had inter-religion marriages, their families are cool with it and they have maintained their maiden names and religions. Needless to mention they are all cosmopolitan and educated middle class professionals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaleem<br />
I&#8217;m interested to find out about your opinion on Hindu-Muslim marriages. If a Muslim lady marries a Hindu , in your opinion, is she required to change her religion and follow the Hindu law? Or on the other hand a reverse happens, is the Hindu lady required to change her religion and follow Shariah. What if they decide to follow the secular law of the land and hold on to their own individual religions, albeit in a modern secular manner.  In your opinion are they irreligious people? I have a few friends who had inter-religion marriages, their families are cool with it and they have maintained their maiden names and religions. Needless to mention they are all cosmopolitan and educated middle class professionals.</p>
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		<title>By: Qazi Mairaj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Qazi Mairaj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;RSS is also motivating Hindus in pakistan for last 60 years to reduce their population. Due to efforts of RSS the hindu population has now reduces in the range of 2 % from 24%. ( I think this is one thing they did good .. Isn’t it ?)&quot;

What a lie hindutva-wallahs have been spreading in cyberspace!

I am from Pakistan and would like to know source of this information. Please cite any UN study or independent news source (other that RSS propaganda sites) that confirm your statement.

FYI, there was no religion wise census done immediately after independence. Before partition, in 1946 census total Hindu population in areas of Pakistan was 11%. After this, there were mass exodus of Hindus in 1947. So how did their population become 25% in newly formed Pakistan?

I would expect you to either substantiate your claim or accept that you lied.

Pakistan never claimed to be the promised land for non-Muslims, but we do not believe in butchering our minorities like in Gujarat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;RSS is also motivating Hindus in pakistan for last 60 years to reduce their population. Due to efforts of RSS the hindu population has now reduces in the range of 2 % from 24%. ( I think this is one thing they did good .. Isn’t it ?)&#8221;</p>
<p>What a lie hindutva-wallahs have been spreading in cyberspace!</p>
<p>I am from Pakistan and would like to know source of this information. Please cite any UN study or independent news source (other that RSS propaganda sites) that confirm your statement.</p>
<p>FYI, there was no religion wise census done immediately after independence. Before partition, in 1946 census total Hindu population in areas of Pakistan was 11%. After this, there were mass exodus of Hindus in 1947. So how did their population become 25% in newly formed Pakistan?</p>
<p>I would expect you to either substantiate your claim or accept that you lied.</p>
<p>Pakistan never claimed to be the promised land for non-Muslims, but we do not believe in butchering our minorities like in Gujarat.</p>
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		<title>By: DV</title>
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		<dc:creator>DV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 19:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like BJP/RSS and VHP are responsible for all muslim problems. 

- Looks like they are also involved in all the bomb blasts across india, and then framing innocent muslims in the cases.

- Looks like these organisations are also giving support to SIMI (backdoor) to make india a islamic state.

- I think it was also RSS which change the outcome  1985 Shah bano case ( which was a landmark case in indian secular history) by bringing its thousands of supporters on streets in muslim disguise.

- They also hatched plan to blow parliament couple of years ago and then frame some innocent muslims to tarnish the image of muslim community.

-- RSS is also motivating Hindus in pakistan for last 60 years to reduce their population. Due to efforts of RSS the hindu population has now reduces in the range of 2 % from 24%. ( I think this is one thing they did good .. Isn&#039;t it ?)

The post above clearly shows victim mentality and refusal to see the truth. 
what dialogue can be done in this case..........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like BJP/RSS and VHP are responsible for all muslim problems. </p>
<p>- Looks like they are also involved in all the bomb blasts across india, and then framing innocent muslims in the cases.</p>
<p>- Looks like these organisations are also giving support to SIMI (backdoor) to make india a islamic state.</p>
<p>- I think it was also RSS which change the outcome  1985 Shah bano case ( which was a landmark case in indian secular history) by bringing its thousands of supporters on streets in muslim disguise.</p>
<p>- They also hatched plan to blow parliament couple of years ago and then frame some innocent muslims to tarnish the image of muslim community.</p>
<p>&#8211; RSS is also motivating Hindus in pakistan for last 60 years to reduce their population. Due to efforts of RSS the hindu population has now reduces in the range of 2 % from 24%. ( I think this is one thing they did good .. Isn&#8217;t it ?)</p>
<p>The post above clearly shows victim mentality and refusal to see the truth.<br />
what dialogue can be done in this case&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Sudie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sudie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Muslims evryehere are trying to curb the extremists in their community
and are working on interfaith programs to improve harmony with non-Muslims. But they will never give up the core elements of their religion and turn irreligious just because segments of non-Muslims are turning irreligious.&quot;

Kaleem, I&#039;m not sure, but this sounds like rhetoric to me. If muslims everywhere are trying to curb extremists then there will not be extremists within the community (because extremists are also muslims). There is a logical fallacy here. I myself cannot claim that Hinduism, with far less of a fundamantalist drive, has hindus across the board fighting extremism. I will rather have more people being good citizens, respect freedom of thought/expression and give their children good education and not be a nuisance for the larger society by disrupting life,  denying human rights under the name of family laws and oppressing women/weaker sections of the society. Why can&#039;t family law be based on modern interpretations of a society that effects everyone equally. There can be equality of opportunity but not equality of outcome. Muslim/Hindu having equal qualification cannot be treated differently when it comes to opportunity. But just because there is not enough &quot;share&quot; cannot be an excuse for special privileges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Muslims evryehere are trying to curb the extremists in their community<br />
and are working on interfaith programs to improve harmony with non-Muslims. But they will never give up the core elements of their religion and turn irreligious just because segments of non-Muslims are turning irreligious.&#8221;</p>
<p>Kaleem, I&#8217;m not sure, but this sounds like rhetoric to me. If muslims everywhere are trying to curb extremists then there will not be extremists within the community (because extremists are also muslims). There is a logical fallacy here. I myself cannot claim that Hinduism, with far less of a fundamantalist drive, has hindus across the board fighting extremism. I will rather have more people being good citizens, respect freedom of thought/expression and give their children good education and not be a nuisance for the larger society by disrupting life,  denying human rights under the name of family laws and oppressing women/weaker sections of the society. Why can&#8217;t family law be based on modern interpretations of a society that effects everyone equally. There can be equality of opportunity but not equality of outcome. Muslim/Hindu having equal qualification cannot be treated differently when it comes to opportunity. But just because there is not enough &#8220;share&#8221; cannot be an excuse for special privileges.</p>
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		<title>By: Amit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Wikipedia solicits inputs frrom all on topics of their choice. Since early 1980s BJP, RSS, VHP launched a massive campaign to re-write a revisionist history of India. They recruited a large number of like minded professors and scholars for this campaign.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

While there may be some truth to the above and there are some instances where the pendulum has swung to the other extreme, many of the articles I&#039;ve read actually quote Muslim scholars from those times, and their written records. So, it can&#039;t all be propaganda. You are, of course, neglecting the revision done by the left after Independence.

&lt;blockquote&gt;“Hazaron saal ki yeh daastan, aur unko yaad hay sirf itna;
Kay Alamgir zaalim tha, sitamgar tha, hindukush thaa”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Nope. I remember Akbar, Sher Shah Suri, Humayun, Ashok, Chadragupta Maurya, Pallavas, and many others - Hindus, Muslims, all who were part of Indian history - both good and bad.
But I&#039;ve seen enough evidence here that many Muslims have an inability to think before Babar when they think of Indian history - the other side of the coin that Pandey ignores in his lament. And so the game continues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Wikipedia solicits inputs frrom all on topics of their choice. Since early 1980s BJP, RSS, VHP launched a massive campaign to re-write a revisionist history of India. They recruited a large number of like minded professors and scholars for this campaign.</p></blockquote>
<p>While there may be some truth to the above and there are some instances where the pendulum has swung to the other extreme, many of the articles I&#8217;ve read actually quote Muslim scholars from those times, and their written records. So, it can&#8217;t all be propaganda. You are, of course, neglecting the revision done by the left after Independence.</p>
<blockquote><p>“Hazaron saal ki yeh daastan, aur unko yaad hay sirf itna;<br />
Kay Alamgir zaalim tha, sitamgar tha, hindukush thaa”</p></blockquote>
<p>Nope. I remember Akbar, Sher Shah Suri, Humayun, Ashok, Chadragupta Maurya, Pallavas, and many others &#8211; Hindus, Muslims, all who were part of Indian history &#8211; both good and bad.<br />
But I&#8217;ve seen enough evidence here that many Muslims have an inability to think before Babar when they think of Indian history &#8211; the other side of the coin that Pandey ignores in his lament. And so the game continues.</p>
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		<title>By: Sridhar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sridhar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 07:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaleem,

Regarding your statement that RSS, BJP etc have been filling info into Wikipedia is absolutely incorrect. I guess you seem to be bit hurt by the truth contained therin but that is what it is the TRUTH.

The articles given there are not mere propaganda as you put it. If you had cared to look at the references closesly you will find articles from even reputed universities in the world like &quot;University of Columbia&quot; and historical journals from the time of Timur (Malfuzat-i-Tumuri). In Malfuzat-i-Tumuri by Timur is an AUTOBIOGRAPHICAL memoir of how he percieved the inhabitants of Hindustan as infidels and how he felt it a RELIGIOUS duty to invade the land of &quot;infidels&quot;. He records executions of hindus HIMSELF in the journal &#039;Tuzk-i-Tumuri&#039;.

Another example is the &quot;Tarikh-i-Firuz-Shah&quot;, a historical record, written during the reign of Firoz Shah Tughlak which describes attempts at forced mass conversions.

Finally, the clearly visual destruction of several temples. There have been several but I give this reference here below as it was by a Maulana. The Quwwat-ul-Islam mosque at the Qutb complex was built after destroying a Jain temple there. This reference is from Maulana Hakim Saiyid Abdul Hai&#039;s work &quot;Hindustan Islami Ahad Mein&quot; which also attests to the prevelant iconoclasm by Qutb-ud-din-Aibak.

YOU CHOOSE TO IGNORE THESE HISTORICAL REFERENCES AS PROPAGANDA. 

As far as Shariah goes, no matter how it is interpreted it still views people differently based on their faith (i.e. muslims and non-muslims). That to me, in this day and age, is ARCHAIC and fundamentally flawed.

&lt;b&gt;Moderator&#039;s Note: Comment Edited&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaleem,</p>
<p>Regarding your statement that RSS, BJP etc have been filling info into Wikipedia is absolutely incorrect. I guess you seem to be bit hurt by the truth contained therin but that is what it is the TRUTH.</p>
<p>The articles given there are not mere propaganda as you put it. If you had cared to look at the references closesly you will find articles from even reputed universities in the world like &#8220;University of Columbia&#8221; and historical journals from the time of Timur (Malfuzat-i-Tumuri). In Malfuzat-i-Tumuri by Timur is an AUTOBIOGRAPHICAL memoir of how he percieved the inhabitants of Hindustan as infidels and how he felt it a RELIGIOUS duty to invade the land of &#8220;infidels&#8221;. He records executions of hindus HIMSELF in the journal &#8216;Tuzk-i-Tumuri&#8217;.</p>
<p>Another example is the &#8220;Tarikh-i-Firuz-Shah&#8221;, a historical record, written during the reign of Firoz Shah Tughlak which describes attempts at forced mass conversions.</p>
<p>Finally, the clearly visual destruction of several temples. There have been several but I give this reference here below as it was by a Maulana. The Quwwat-ul-Islam mosque at the Qutb complex was built after destroying a Jain temple there. This reference is from Maulana Hakim Saiyid Abdul Hai&#8217;s work &#8220;Hindustan Islami Ahad Mein&#8221; which also attests to the prevelant iconoclasm by Qutb-ud-din-Aibak.</p>
<p>YOU CHOOSE TO IGNORE THESE HISTORICAL REFERENCES AS PROPAGANDA. </p>
<p>As far as Shariah goes, no matter how it is interpreted it still views people differently based on their faith (i.e. muslims and non-muslims). That to me, in this day and age, is ARCHAIC and fundamentally flawed.</p>
<p><b>Moderator&#8217;s Note: Comment Edited</b></p>
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