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		<title>By: vakibs</title>
		<link>http://indianmuslims.in/iits-iims-exclusively-for-muslims/comment-page-1/#comment-53588</link>
		<dc:creator>vakibs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 13:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ensuring world class primary education for every Indian child should be our goal. With India&#039;s growing economic strength and the internet &amp; communication technologies at our disposal, this goal is very much achievable. 

There is a huge difference in the motivation and capabilities of children who receive best class convent education and children who receive second-rate education in government run schools. This gap should be quickly narrowed down. 

Otherwise, there will be a huge opportunity cost for India - when several millions of talented young Indians will not be able to realize their potential in their lives. 

Muslims, especially, should take the lead in this direction. Muslim children are especially vulnerable to absenteeism and insufficient attention towards primary education. This is a far more important goal than ensuring separate IITs or IIMs. 

A building is as strong as its foundations. Merely putting whitewash on its walls will not save a building from collapsing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ensuring world class primary education for every Indian child should be our goal. With India&#8217;s growing economic strength and the internet &amp; communication technologies at our disposal, this goal is very much achievable. </p>
<p>There is a huge difference in the motivation and capabilities of children who receive best class convent education and children who receive second-rate education in government run schools. This gap should be quickly narrowed down. </p>
<p>Otherwise, there will be a huge opportunity cost for India &#8211; when several millions of talented young Indians will not be able to realize their potential in their lives. </p>
<p>Muslims, especially, should take the lead in this direction. Muslim children are especially vulnerable to absenteeism and insufficient attention towards primary education. This is a far more important goal than ensuring separate IITs or IIMs. </p>
<p>A building is as strong as its foundations. Merely putting whitewash on its walls will not save a building from collapsing.</p>
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		<title>By: Milind Kher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milind Kher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When we talk of unity and integrity, having separate institutions for sepaarte communities may negate efforts made in this direction.

Rather, the way forward is for all communities to work together on a footing of equality, so that the entire nation progresses together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When we talk of unity and integrity, having separate institutions for sepaarte communities may negate efforts made in this direction.</p>
<p>Rather, the way forward is for all communities to work together on a footing of equality, so that the entire nation progresses together.</p>
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		<title>By: Dastagir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dastagir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately i read in the paper the other day., they are sending some LUNCH (Food) to the Madrasas.   New found love... hahaha.  Elections are 3 months round the corner.... Muslims kee yaad aayee hai ?  Hayn ??? Majboori ka naam sabr.  The Govt. must establish new QUALITY High Schools for poor muslim kids...  but it seems the Govt. is inclined just to white-wash the old mosques... and send the Lunch (for 3-4 months only).  Who knows., the food under Sarva Shiksha Abhiyan would be withdrawn after the elections. Kaam Nikal Gaya... Dabaa Ke Chal Diye... See you after 5 yrs.. hahaha. 

Congress is the lesser evil., but its insincerety is stark. Half measures wont do. and the Congress cannot take full measures.. out of fear or antagonising the Hindutva Brigade. That is the reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately i read in the paper the other day., they are sending some LUNCH (Food) to the Madrasas.   New found love&#8230; hahaha.  Elections are 3 months round the corner&#8230;. Muslims kee yaad aayee hai ?  Hayn ??? Majboori ka naam sabr.  The Govt. must establish new QUALITY High Schools for poor muslim kids&#8230;  but it seems the Govt. is inclined just to white-wash the old mosques&#8230; and send the Lunch (for 3-4 months only).  Who knows., the food under Sarva Shiksha Abhiyan would be withdrawn after the elections. Kaam Nikal Gaya&#8230; Dabaa Ke Chal Diye&#8230; See you after 5 yrs.. hahaha. </p>
<p>Congress is the lesser evil., but its insincerety is stark. Half measures wont do. and the Congress cannot take full measures.. out of fear or antagonising the Hindutva Brigade. That is the reality.</p>
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		<title>By: triple</title>
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		<dc:creator>triple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 09:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muslims have shown great organization skill - look at zakir naik. they can surely open quality minority institutions where quota does not apply where they need it - if they have the will.

let the govt open schools and colleges across the country for everyone.govt must not open institutions for ppl based on religion, not only its against the spirit of equality, history shows that these institutions will get politicized and fail to achieve the basic purpose. want secular education - go to a secular institution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muslims have shown great organization skill &#8211; look at zakir naik. they can surely open quality minority institutions where quota does not apply where they need it &#8211; if they have the will.</p>
<p>let the govt open schools and colleges across the country for everyone.govt must not open institutions for ppl based on religion, not only its against the spirit of equality, history shows that these institutions will get politicized and fail to achieve the basic purpose. want secular education &#8211; go to a secular institution.</p>
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		<title>By: Sudie</title>
		<link>http://indianmuslims.in/iits-iims-exclusively-for-muslims/comment-page-1/#comment-44663</link>
		<dc:creator>Sudie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 22:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We do have seperate technical institutions, schools, colleges, scholarships, gender and religion based discrimination, job reservations based on religion - in Pakistan. Why do we need that in secular democratic India? 
Its a seperate matter that we need many more schools and colleges - co-educational and secular where any form of discrimination apaart from that based on professional and academic merit is illegal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We do have seperate technical institutions, schools, colleges, scholarships, gender and religion based discrimination, job reservations based on religion &#8211; in Pakistan. Why do we need that in secular democratic India?<br />
Its a seperate matter that we need many more schools and colleges &#8211; co-educational and secular where any form of discrimination apaart from that based on professional and academic merit is illegal.</p>
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		<title>By: Dastagir</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 11:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forget the IITs and the IIMs... Sachar Committee has identified muslim-majority districts (80). Why does NOT the Government open Quality High Schools KG-X in those 80 districts... what is the obstruction ?  Honestly, there is no need to do anything for muslims.  An Iftar Party and a Mushaira are enough... cuz basically it has come down to this : &quot;We do not need your votes&quot;.  The BJP says it openly.... the Congress is ideologically impoverished (today it is only a tool to praise a family).  It does not have the leadership like Nehru to stand up and explain that secularism is good for the whole of India.  It is not meant to protect or pamper muslims.  It is meant to hold India together.  But look at the real face of the Congress in Gujarat.  Congress today is the B-Team of RSS. (The A team being BJP).  The coming 50 years would be crucial for the muslims of India. So,  they prefer the lesser evil (Congress).  BJP is riding the fantasy-ride. In the end, the Hindu Taliban (RSS) will destroy India... Hindutva will kill Hinduism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget the IITs and the IIMs&#8230; Sachar Committee has identified muslim-majority districts (80). Why does NOT the Government open Quality High Schools KG-X in those 80 districts&#8230; what is the obstruction ?  Honestly, there is no need to do anything for muslims.  An Iftar Party and a Mushaira are enough&#8230; cuz basically it has come down to this : &#8220;We do not need your votes&#8221;.  The BJP says it openly&#8230;. the Congress is ideologically impoverished (today it is only a tool to praise a family).  It does not have the leadership like Nehru to stand up and explain that secularism is good for the whole of India.  It is not meant to protect or pamper muslims.  It is meant to hold India together.  But look at the real face of the Congress in Gujarat.  Congress today is the B-Team of RSS. (The A team being BJP).  The coming 50 years would be crucial for the muslims of India. So,  they prefer the lesser evil (Congress).  BJP is riding the fantasy-ride. In the end, the Hindu Taliban (RSS) will destroy India&#8230; Hindutva will kill Hinduism.</p>
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		<title>By: Vj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 09:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All those who calim for reservation seats with respect to religion and cast clearly shows the sign that they are intellectually weak. They cant stand the competition.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All those who calim for reservation seats with respect to religion and cast clearly shows the sign that they are intellectually weak. They cant stand the competition&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: kaatib</title>
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		<dc:creator>kaatib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 15:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lo! and behold,
Here are the new cronies of Balbir Punj, the project manager to defame Muslim and Islam. It is a fact that only 4% mulims go to madarsa and Education through Urdu made me what i do with Indianmuslims.in. There is no whiter lies like the taliban one when Talibans who are madrasa educated were flying MiG 21s of against the Northern Alliance. Now, you can&#039;t have it after eating the cake, right. Either you accept that they do know fighter flying or the truth is unknown.
The claim for IITs and IIMs is not very deep. Is not the course whicha re offered by IGNOU and symbiosis Poona same as offered the IIMs and same is true for the numerous NIT ane Engg colleges. The hype is to drain the so called brain because the Indian live very dirty though they take daily bath, but I&#039;m sure their underpants must not have been getting wet, the way the daily bathers take bath. You take it, they really use lot of water but being fundamentally uneducated they are, we can&#039;t help. Thus these papers users from IITs and IIMs are sought after. The 2-3% good bathers (read Muslims) may or may not suffice, so this hype. I know how Indian drive on roads</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lo! and behold,<br />
Here are the new cronies of Balbir Punj, the project manager to defame Muslim and Islam. It is a fact that only 4% mulims go to madarsa and Education through Urdu made me what i do with Indianmuslims.in. There is no whiter lies like the taliban one when Talibans who are madrasa educated were flying MiG 21s of against the Northern Alliance. Now, you can&#8217;t have it after eating the cake, right. Either you accept that they do know fighter flying or the truth is unknown.<br />
The claim for IITs and IIMs is not very deep. Is not the course whicha re offered by IGNOU and symbiosis Poona same as offered the IIMs and same is true for the numerous NIT ane Engg colleges. The hype is to drain the so called brain because the Indian live very dirty though they take daily bath, but I&#8217;m sure their underpants must not have been getting wet, the way the daily bathers take bath. You take it, they really use lot of water but being fundamentally uneducated they are, we can&#8217;t help. Thus these papers users from IITs and IIMs are sought after. The 2-3% good bathers (read Muslims) may or may not suffice, so this hype. I know how Indian drive on roads</p>
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		<title>By: sajid</title>
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		<dc:creator>sajid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 12:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The muslim community does not need reservation in IITs and IIMs. Rather it needs support from the governement in the process of recognition of their schools as there are many schools run by muslims which do not get recognized. IF there is a muslim predominated area it is sure to have poor or no support from the municipality and a high probability of the absence of any government school. The madrasas unlike popular perception are the last efforts of the community to organize some kind of education for their children. If a muslim goes for finance he will have to run from pillar to post before he finally gets a government loan if at all he does get it. 
However we now have to plan with the assumption that we will not get any help from any govt. We have to motivate the community to not adopt a defeatist attitude and work towards acquring education. Muslims need to build up their own micro-credit organizations which need to work honestly to finance their entreprenurial efforts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The muslim community does not need reservation in IITs and IIMs. Rather it needs support from the governement in the process of recognition of their schools as there are many schools run by muslims which do not get recognized. IF there is a muslim predominated area it is sure to have poor or no support from the municipality and a high probability of the absence of any government school. The madrasas unlike popular perception are the last efforts of the community to organize some kind of education for their children. If a muslim goes for finance he will have to run from pillar to post before he finally gets a government loan if at all he does get it.<br />
However we now have to plan with the assumption that we will not get any help from any govt. We have to motivate the community to not adopt a defeatist attitude and work towards acquring education. Muslims need to build up their own micro-credit organizations which need to work honestly to finance their entreprenurial efforts.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharique</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 07:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Girish,
Yeah exactly. All these reservation drama is for political advantage. Initially the reservation were only for a fixed period of time but later they were never terminated because the congress feared that it might lose support. And as I have pointed out in my post on my blog that these reservation just create a rift among the students. The general category students always curse the reserved ones and feel victimized and on the other hand the reserved candidates find it hard to cope up. So the best way is to make merit the lone criterion for admission to the higher institution of learning.

Nitin,
I do agree that only 10 of the MPs made the claim and it could be to garner Muslim support in the UP elections. As politicians always do. But my post was necessarily not to point to out their demand. I wanted to bring the evil of reservations which might be going on the minds of Muslims. Many feel that reservations are the only way to uplift the Muslims but they don&#039;t realise that this is further going to alienate them.

And as confused pointed out, in the comment on that post, that the other 40 might just drop in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Girish,<br />
Yeah exactly. All these reservation drama is for political advantage. Initially the reservation were only for a fixed period of time but later they were never terminated because the congress feared that it might lose support. And as I have pointed out in my post on my blog that these reservation just create a rift among the students. The general category students always curse the reserved ones and feel victimized and on the other hand the reserved candidates find it hard to cope up. So the best way is to make merit the lone criterion for admission to the higher institution of learning.</p>
<p>Nitin,<br />
I do agree that only 10 of the MPs made the claim and it could be to garner Muslim support in the UP elections. As politicians always do. But my post was necessarily not to point to out their demand. I wanted to bring the evil of reservations which might be going on the minds of Muslims. Many feel that reservations are the only way to uplift the Muslims but they don&#8217;t realise that this is further going to alienate them.</p>
<p>And as confused pointed out, in the comment on that post, that the other 40 might just drop in.</p>
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