Comments on: Hindu-Muslim Unity http://indianmuslims.in/hindu-muslim-unity/ A Window Into The Indian Muslim Life Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:21:41 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Mehul Trivedi http://indianmuslims.in/hindu-muslim-unity/comment-page-1/#comment-46555 Mehul Trivedi Fri, 22 Aug 2008 07:23:03 +0000 http://indianmuslims.in/?p=718#comment-46555 the problem between hindus and muslim is just a example of weakness of humanbeing. someone comes and divert your mind to just stupid ways. remember the mind is yours, and riding is not in your hand. why man doesn't think about himself ? when he is not thinking about himself also so how he can think about others or society ? let all hindus and muslims should know and understand it very well that the unity and war both are in their own hands. So spread your hands to him who had constructed all of us and made no changes between any hindu, muslim and any other community. one equation i want to put here. *hindu = muslim = jain = isai = all the other communities which unknown 4 me. *ishwar = allah = mahavir = jesus = all the other community heads which unknown 4 me. the problem between hindus and muslim is just a example of weakness of humanbeing. someone comes and divert your mind to just stupid ways. remember the mind is yours, and riding is not in your hand. why man doesn’t think about himself ? when he is not thinking about himself also so how he can think about others or society ? let all hindus and muslims should know and understand it very well that the unity and war both are in their own hands. So spread your hands to him who had constructed all of us and made no changes between any hindu, muslim and any other community. one equation i want to put here.
*hindu = muslim = jain = isai = all the other communities which unknown 4 me.
*ishwar = allah = mahavir = jesus = all the other community heads which unknown 4 me.

]]> By: Das http://indianmuslims.in/hindu-muslim-unity/comment-page-1/#comment-46300 Das Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:35:35 +0000 http://indianmuslims.in/?p=718#comment-46300 Sudie : Dont get confused. I thougth you were an intelligent guy ??? There are some standard books : "Economy during the Mughal Period" is a classic. Please read it., and you will understand WHO controlled Indian Economy over the past millenia. The Economy of India was NEVER in the hands of the Muslims. Infact its not so simple. India had rulers with Muslim names. The economy of India was always in the hands of the 3% as mentioned in the entry above yours. The same 3% controls the Indian economy even today. This is the plainest truth told most plainly (rather bluntly). If you have time, read about the History of 1857 - India's First War of Independence. Who did what ? Who died ? How Many ? Who co-operated with the new power-structure (The British). Read about it. Take the pain., if you want to know what you are taking about.... until then you will have a superficial viewpoint and world-view. Discover for yourselves, what facts are. Read a few standard books (not the Hateful RSS ones)... but correct and reliable books. If you are biased, you can never reach the truth. If you want to know the truth, you have to rid yourself the cloak of bias. Sudie : Dont get confused. I thougth you were an intelligent guy ??? There are some standard books : “Economy during the Mughal Period” is a classic. Please read it., and you will understand WHO controlled Indian Economy over the past millenia. The Economy of India was NEVER in the hands of the Muslims. Infact its not so simple. India had rulers with Muslim names. The economy of India was always in the hands of the 3% as mentioned in the entry above yours. The same 3% controls the Indian economy even today. This is the plainest truth told most plainly (rather bluntly). If you have time, read about the History of 1857 – India’s First War of Independence. Who did what ? Who died ? How Many ? Who co-operated with the new power-structure (The British). Read about it. Take the pain., if you want to know what you are taking about…. until then you will have a superficial viewpoint and world-view. Discover for yourselves, what facts are. Read a few standard books (not the Hateful RSS ones)… but correct and reliable books. If you are biased, you can never reach the truth. If you want to know the truth, you have to rid yourself the cloak of bias.

]]> By: Sudie http://indianmuslims.in/hindu-muslim-unity/comment-page-1/#comment-46081 Sudie Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:29:11 +0000 http://indianmuslims.in/?p=718#comment-46081 Iam confused. If during your version of 700 years of Muslim rule, the Muslims were not ruling the economy - who were they ruling :)....maybe the harems......the real "Men"..promoting womens emancipation by hundreds for destitute non-muslim women rescuing them from the evil non-muslim husbands. Well......to satisfay the law of averages, VHP claims that after 700 years of Muslim Rule and 150 years of British rule, it is all fair to have 700 years of Hindu rule :)...after all Hindus are 80% of India. But...Who are these 3%?..:).....who.....is it the usual suspect ....the Jews......sorry dude....if people said India lacked a sense of bizarre humor, they just need to come to this site....hilarious. Some people have a great career in stand up comedy - the great Indian laughter challenge....the hunt for the magic 3%...and who said minorities were discriminated..in fact minorities ruled.....yikes :)..:) Iam confused. If during your version of 700 years of Muslim rule, the Muslims were not ruling the economy – who were they ruling :) ….maybe the harems……the real “Men”..promoting womens emancipation by hundreds for destitute non-muslim women rescuing them from the evil non-muslim husbands.

Well……to satisfay the law of averages, VHP claims that after 700 years of Muslim Rule and 150 years of British rule, it is all fair to have 700 years of Hindu rule :) …after all Hindus are 80% of India.

But…Who are these 3%?..:)…..who…..is it the usual suspect ….the Jews……sorry dude….if people said India lacked a sense of bizarre humor, they just need to come to this site….hilarious. Some people have a great career in stand up comedy – the great Indian laughter challenge….the hunt for the magic 3%…and who said minorities were discriminated..in fact minorities ruled…..yikes :) ..:)

]]> By: Milind Kher http://indianmuslims.in/hindu-muslim-unity/comment-page-1/#comment-46064 Milind Kher Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:49:11 +0000 http://indianmuslims.in/?p=718#comment-46064 Islamism and Hindutva are cancerous look alikes of Islam and Hinduism. They both prescribe a rabid hatred against the other community and religion. They are utterly bereft of any ideology of their own, thriving instead on the emotion of hate. Today, many people lionize the state of Israel, not because they have anything in common, but just because they share a hatred for Muslims. This genuinely needs to stop for the people to come together Islamism and Hindutva are cancerous look alikes of Islam and Hinduism.

They both prescribe a rabid hatred against the other community and religion. They are utterly bereft of any ideology of their own, thriving instead on the emotion of hate.

Today, many people lionize the state of Israel, not because they have anything in common, but just because they share a hatred for Muslims. This genuinely needs to stop for the people to come together

]]> By: Blunt http://indianmuslims.in/hindu-muslim-unity/comment-page-1/#comment-46058 Blunt Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:51:25 +0000 http://indianmuslims.in/?p=718#comment-46058 Whats going on is not Hindu-Muslim problem. This is simply CRIME and MOB VIOLENCE inculcted as a "doctrine" (Hindutva) which cannot survive for a second without hatred. So an "enemy" is invented to provide oxygen to the doctrine. This is fascism.. pure and simple. Those who talk of Hindutva are least bothered about Hinduism. They want a civil war in india that goes on and on.. until india becomes a heap of rubble. A student of history will note that they (the perpetrators of civil war) always survived unscathed. These lucky fellas (3%) form 85% of the bureaucracy today. Even in Mughal times they had a grip on the bureaucracy. Even in Mughal times the ECONOMY was not controlled by the Muslim ! Never. It was in the hands of the same .... The combination fo the clever fella (3%) along with the ...... they remain un-scathed... while they ignite / finance and organise pogroms and hurt mother india into a perpetual civil war. The Hindus are not understanding the threat HINDUTVA poses to Hinduism. Believe me., 70 years of Hindutva will wipe off Hinduism. Muslims ruled India for 700 years., but still left Hindus with a 80% majority. Try Modi's HINDUTVA... and see the results after 50-60-70 years. History will document the end result. Hatred is a consuming passion and destroys its practitioner. It will ruin the Indian civilisation and destroy Hinduism for ever. The average Hindu is on an ego trip. RSS is taking the Hindus for a ride... exactly the way, the muslims were fooled and taken for a ride... Moderator's Note: Comment slightly edited Whats going on is not Hindu-Muslim problem. This is simply CRIME and MOB VIOLENCE inculcted as a “doctrine” (Hindutva) which cannot survive for a second without hatred. So an “enemy” is invented to provide oxygen to the doctrine. This is fascism.. pure and simple. Those who talk of Hindutva are least bothered about Hinduism. They want a civil war in india that goes on and on.. until india becomes a heap of rubble. A student of history will note that they (the perpetrators of civil war) always survived unscathed. These lucky fellas (3%) form 85% of the bureaucracy today. Even in Mughal times they had a grip on the bureaucracy. Even in Mughal times the ECONOMY was not controlled by the Muslim ! Never. It was in the hands of the same …. The combination fo the clever fella (3%) along with the …… they remain un-scathed… while they ignite / finance and organise pogroms and hurt mother india into a perpetual civil war.

The Hindus are not understanding the threat HINDUTVA poses to Hinduism. Believe me., 70 years of Hindutva will wipe off Hinduism. Muslims ruled India for 700 years., but still left Hindus with a 80% majority. Try Modi’s HINDUTVA… and see the results after 50-60-70 years. History will document the end result. Hatred is a consuming passion and destroys its practitioner. It will ruin the Indian civilisation and destroy Hinduism for ever. The average Hindu is on an ego trip. RSS is taking the Hindus for a ride… exactly the way, the muslims were fooled and taken for a ride…

Moderator’s Note: Comment slightly edited

]]> By: Milind Kher http://indianmuslims.in/hindu-muslim-unity/comment-page-1/#comment-45873 Milind Kher Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:47:34 +0000 http://indianmuslims.in/?p=718#comment-45873 There is particular Islam, and there is Universal Islam. Particular Islam is Islam as we know it. But Islam being the "surrender" to God, in a broader sense everybody who surrenders to God, the one and only true God, is a Muslim even if he is otherwise a Christian, Hindu or whatever. Trees are ever in a state of Qiyam, quadrapeds in a state of Ruku, and reptiles in a sate of Sajda, for as the Qur'an says, "every creature worshippeth God, but ye comprehend not" There is particular Islam, and there is Universal Islam.

Particular Islam is Islam as we know it. But Islam being the “surrender” to God, in a broader sense everybody who surrenders to God, the one and only true God, is a Muslim even if he is otherwise a Christian, Hindu or whatever.

Trees are ever in a state of Qiyam, quadrapeds in a state of Ruku, and reptiles in a sate of Sajda, for as the Qur’an says, “every creature worshippeth God, but ye comprehend not”

]]> By: kafir#01 http://indianmuslims.in/hindu-muslim-unity/comment-page-1/#comment-45870 kafir#01 Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:40:25 +0000 http://indianmuslims.in/?p=718#comment-45870 Asif, well said! Asif, well said!

]]> By: Asif http://indianmuslims.in/hindu-muslim-unity/comment-page-1/#comment-45857 Asif Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:00:26 +0000 http://indianmuslims.in/?p=718#comment-45857 I believe all religions are good. A major flaw that seems in Anwar Shah Kashmiri's message is that he is talking for all Muslims and addressing all Hindus. Idea that all Muslims think same and all Hindus think same. Somewhere he is addressing all Hindus as being somewhere not understanding Muslims. The experiment had to fail. All wise maulanas and pandits make the same mistake. Pakistan got created. Incidentally Jinnah who was against all this Mullah Drama and bigotry, a great Indian initially led Pakistan. If I look objectively at his history he was afraid that all these wise Ulema are going to bring the backlash of Hindus for what some of their rulers have done to Hindus in the same many years of misrule. He wanted a modern state where history should only be for learning and not to be sat on and emulated. Its not that all Muslims or all Hindus have the same set of thinking. Even in an Islamic state all Muslims would de facto not be thinking same. Least to say 90% of the Muslims would not have read the Quran or the Sunnah. And how the remaining 10% would use the learning is highly questionable. A true Hindu Muslim bond will evolve when an effort to understand each other, meet each other as individuals keeping our religious superiorities aside. An objective look at Islam’s presence in sub continent should not be shied away from. The history that I read as a Pakistani is all about how Muslims freed the oppressed Buddhists/dalits etc in India and how stupid the Hindus were in all their wars won by cultured Muslims. Sometimes I wonder that this is chauvinism at its best. Maybe superman makes some mistakes but seems these invaders were the perfect people. So much so that Pakistan is painfully trying to emulate Arabs in all their cultural perfection. I have to warn you my fellow brother Indians. Pakistan and India are artificial borders because we are the same people. But get out of these long boring speeches of wise mawlanas. Stop looking at each other as the other party not understanding you. History is long gone. Live in present and work for the future. People who try to teach religious separation can never bring love between 2 religions and ulemas are an expert at that. I believe all religions are good. A major flaw that seems in Anwar Shah Kashmiri’s message is that he is talking for all Muslims and addressing all Hindus. Idea that all Muslims think same and all Hindus think same. Somewhere he is addressing all Hindus as being somewhere not understanding Muslims. The experiment had to fail. All wise maulanas and pandits make the same mistake. Pakistan got created. Incidentally Jinnah who was against all this Mullah Drama and bigotry, a great Indian initially led Pakistan. If I look objectively at his history he was afraid that all these wise Ulema are going to bring the backlash of Hindus for what some of their rulers have done to Hindus in the same many years of misrule. He wanted a modern state where history should only be for learning and not to be sat on and emulated.

Its not that all Muslims or all Hindus have the same set of thinking. Even in an Islamic state all Muslims would de facto not be thinking same. Least to say 90% of the Muslims would not have read the Quran or the Sunnah. And how the remaining 10% would use the learning is highly questionable.

A true Hindu Muslim bond will evolve when an effort to understand each other, meet each other as individuals keeping our religious superiorities aside.

An objective look at Islam’s presence in sub continent should not be shied away from. The history that I read as a Pakistani is all about how Muslims freed the oppressed Buddhists/dalits etc in India and how stupid the Hindus were in all their wars won by cultured Muslims. Sometimes I wonder that this is chauvinism at its best. Maybe superman makes some mistakes but seems these invaders were the perfect people. So much so that Pakistan is painfully trying to emulate Arabs in all their cultural perfection.

I have to warn you my fellow brother Indians. Pakistan and India are artificial borders because we are the same people. But get out of these long boring speeches of wise mawlanas. Stop looking at each other as the other party not understanding you. History is long gone. Live in present and work for the future. People who try to teach religious separation can never bring love between 2 religions and ulemas are an expert at that.

]]> By: Milind Kher http://indianmuslims.in/hindu-muslim-unity/comment-page-1/#comment-45828 Milind Kher Mon, 04 Aug 2008 04:14:43 +0000 http://indianmuslims.in/?p=718#comment-45828 Today, the most proactive step that can be taken by the Ummah is for every Muslim to condemn terrorism and to distance themselves. Although only a radical fringe is indulging in terrorism, nevertheless resentment against the entire community builds up whenever there is an act of terrorism. Also, the participation of Muslims in humanitarian causes for the society as a whole must go up, so that they are viewed as responsible and friendly citizens Today, the most proactive step that can be taken by the Ummah is for every Muslim to condemn terrorism and to distance themselves. Although only a radical fringe is indulging in terrorism, nevertheless resentment against the entire community builds up whenever there is an act of terrorism.

Also, the participation of Muslims in humanitarian causes for the society as a whole must go up, so that they are viewed as responsible and friendly citizens

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