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Last Standing Terrorist,
I hope you get to read this letter at the gates of hell where your fellow murderers are awaiting you. I would love to see the look at your face when you will be told that you are not a martyr as your valiantly claimed on the phone call but just a cowardly murderer who killed innocent people. Talking of phone calls, whom were you trying to fool by speaking in a Punjabi/Kashmiri accent while claiming to be from Hyderabad?
It was not surprising to see you use the oldest trick in the world, religion, as a justification of your dastardly acts. It was, however, quite ironical to see a terrorist having just killed scores of innocent people wanting to promote his religion as a religion of refuge and safety. You actually caused much more harm to the religion you claim to profess than anyone else could ever do from outside. Don’t you see that the religion you claim to be fighting for does not have space for people like you? No wonder you were panicked at the recent congregation of Islamic clerics denouncing terrorism and accused them as sell-outs.
As for your blabber about the injustice meted out to the Indian Muslim community, well listen – we don’t want you or any of your murderous fellow thugs talking on our behalf. Babri Masjid, Gujarat, Malegaon and Kashmir are not Indian Muslim problems – these are Indian problems. And we as a nation are capable enough of resolving these issues. We might fall on our way, make mistakes or have serious disagreements but we will find solutions as a nation.
The idea of India is too strong for terrorists like you to have any impact. It has stood the test of time over centuries and has not only survived but progressed. We will overcome this crisis as well – together.
Meanwhile, godspeed to hell to you and good riddance!
Mohib Ahmad
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I am pleasantly surprised with this post. These confidence building measures sent across communities and the sense that all of us are but a single nation has given me fresh hopes of weeding out the rats in society.
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Rishi
So Koshur, what exactly do you want to prove? The terrorists also sent an email in Hindi that showed that it was written with somebody who was used to writing in Urdu but not in Hindi. For instance, the confusion between the “o” and “uu” vowels, which is natural to somebody who writes in Urdu and uses the “wao” character for both (omitting the diacritic marks that differentiate the sounds), but would never be a confusion for somebody who knows Hindi. Or the constant mistakes between the long “ee” vowel and short “i” vowel. Again, since the diacritic marks for short vowels are often skipped in Urdu, this confusion is natural for somebody who has just learnt Hindi or who uses software for transcribing into Hindi from Roman Urdu.
Lots of Indian Muslims, including from Urdu speaking regions make the common “z” vs. “j” error – a generation of Indian Muslims has not learnt the Urdu script formally and is exposed to the same teachers, same media, same conversations as others in their neighborhoods. I have seen Muslim commentators on this site make this error. I have seen Pakistani Muslim friends often deride Indians – Hindus and Muslims alike for these mistakes and rightly so.
BTW, this particular terrorist pronounced the “qaf” and “khe” sounds perfectly while mispronouncing the sounds for “zal” and other “z” consonants. A typical non-Urdu speaker would also usually mispronouncing that sound as well – substituting a “kaf” for a “qaf” or an aspirating “kaf” for a “khe”. It seems obvious that it was an imperfect attempt at sounding like an Indian.
Whether Pakistan is involved in this act or not may be yet to be proven. In anycase the root of the problem for radicalization of society in Pakistan is indoctrination of children of Pakistan through texts in GOVERNMENT schools. They BADLY need a secular, tolerant education in that country. Otherwise, they will continue to produce generations of intolerant bigots through early indoctrination. This should also serve as a warning sign against all Hindutva forces if they try to manipulate texts against secular education.
Honestly, read this report published by academicians in Pakistan:
http://www.sdpi.org/whats_new/reporton/State%20of%20Curr&TextBooks.pdf
Secular, tolerant education around the world is the need of the hour.
Girish,
A very significant difference between Urdu speakers in the Deccan and elsewhere is that they pronounce bada Qaf as kh.
Therefore, in their actual speech, you will find them saying khoran, khatl etc. Also, in their plural they use aan instead of ein, e.g. they will say baataan instead of baatein etc.
However, all this is of academic interest. It has now been conclusively proved that these terrorists came from Pakistan.
almost every pair of kashmiri eyes hves dream’t the same dream of AAZADI from india n many have gone to graves wth the dream n many still keep it close to thr hearts…n i m one among them……i don’t wanna hate any indian but i dont have a single reason to respect or love them….they never condemn the barbaric act of thr so called hero’s indian army….if kiling an innocent is terrorism thn u ppl shud really ponder over the fact tht ur ppl are responsible for more then 70000 deaths….more then 36000 custodial disappearances….n the number increases every single day…after all this if u think tht i shud not hate india it is gotta b a folly on ur part…
it was ur first prime minister of india who had pomised free n fair plebiscite to kashmiri’s n thn betrayed us….u seem to b an good intellectual but the fact remains tht u still are indian n call Kashmir as an integral part of india which it never was n INSHA ALLAH will never b….n ur comment abt the terrorism in kashmir n tht the army is fighting against tht is not a fact but a myth.. ur indian army has raged a war against kashmiri’s a war against humanity n not a war against terrorism…u ppl have already took a lot of advantage of the word terrorism which never existed in kashmir….
U surely would have heard the proverb”Excess of every thing is bad” its tym for india to realise wht they have been doin in kashmir n wht they are doin ryt now….the hell thru which the once called paradise Kashmir is going thru if continues to remain as such is goin to give rise to more n more terrorists becz it seems to them the last n the best way to retaliate n stand-up against the tyrany….which unfortunately or tragically ends up with deaths n subsequently the rise in death toll…no 1 loves terrorism but the Mujahideen or u may call them terrorists get birth with in ourselves when 1 faces injustice,tyrany n oppression….no1 would love to die for nothing but then it seems thr is no other way to retaliate….
abt what india is facing ryt now seems to me is tht they are going thru wht they have earned in past 61yrs..b tht kashmir(INDiAN TERRORISM),gujrat(RIOTS) or punjab(KHALISTAN) or any kind of injustice against a particular community or region….
i might b too young to discuss politics but i m mature enough to c n feel the tyrany,injustice n oppression tht kashmir is goin thru…..
n i think this secularism n this democracy bull shit of urs was proven tym to tym as a myth….gujrat riots proved secularism.bull shit….killiing the unarmed protesters proved democracy of urs …bull shit
Koshur, When it comes to Kashmir you claim yourself only to be an expert claiming that Urdu, Hindi, India etc are not what Kashmiris even came across as you were hidden between the hills. Yet your effort now to prove your complete knowledge on Urdu and Urdu speakers is commendable. We require more Indians like you.
“Koshur, When it comes to Kashmir you claim yourself only to be an expert claiming that Urdu, Hindi, India etc are not what Kashmiris even came across as you were hidden between the hills. Yet your effort now to prove your complete knowledge on Urdu and Urdu speakers is commendable. We require more Indians like you.”
160+ years of colonization from the South have resulted in most educated Kashmiris being able to speak Urdu. You seem to be able to converse in English fluently…using your silly logic, am I to assume that you’re culturally and historically no different from the British and the Americans?
“So Koshur, what exactly do you want to prove?”
Exactly what I said in my earlier posts. Someone imitating a Hyderabadi Muslim accent wouldn’t have intentionally feigned an inability to pronounce “z” sounds because Hyderabadis generally do not have that problem. It doesn’t add up…meanwhile, it sounds like the Indian media are just throwing darts at a map of Pakistan and then swearing up and down that the caller’s accent is from that region.
The BBC has already sent reporters to the only Fardikot anywhere near Multan, a tiny village of less than 100 homes, and was unable to find any evidence of a “Kasab/Kasav” family ever having resided there. And the Indian media is now revealing that one of the killed terrorists went by the name “Abu Dera Ismail Khan”…an utterly ridiculous name that would never be used as a given name, and even if this was a personally selected nickname it makes no sense considering the fact that “Abu” means “father of” and Dera Ismail Khan is a city.
The story just keeps getting increasingly convoluted.
So the terrorist might not have been very convincing in his imitation Hyderabadi accent. Big deal. By your logic, if it was a false flag operation, there is even more reason for there to be a perfect Pakistani accent. I don’t know if you actually heard the audio, but if you did, you would not be so dismissive about the accent (assuming of course that you are objective, which is unlikely).
Yes – we’re all with you on this. We will solve EVERY problem as a nation and we do not need anyone from outside to tell us that they will solve the problem on our behalf. Neither do we need hindu fundamentalist nor do we need muslim ones and definitely not the outsiders. The concept, the energy, the vision and the vibrance that is INDIA, will not go down and definitely not go down to some brainwashed “individuals”.
Koshur, I believe its all about fusion and mixing. Do not see that 160 years as colonization. Most humans need to start seeing their past not with identities and religion but a natural process at any given time. Hindus probably the Muslim rule and all of us probably the British Rule. Iqbal’s songs are still sung in India and Indians have also assimilated a lot from kashmiris. I know there is anger inside you and that is why you either use your knowledge at any point to show complete seperateness of Kashmiris and sometimes complete knowledge about all Indian matters. If you remember I had told you that most kashmiris can speak Urdu/Hindi and you had denied that saying only a few know very rudimentary urdu but now you display that you even have knowledge of various accents of Urdu and that most educated Kashmiris can speak Urdu.
http://indianmuslims.in/nanavati-report-godhra-tragedy-sabarmati-express/?cp=all#comment-49678
What you are saying in this case is this is home grown terror trying to probably wash off Pakistanis or kashmiris involved. Most Indian Muslims including conservatists are fighting against it and have dissociated themselves from all such elements. Indian Muslims unitedly condemn this incident. And maybe there can be some bad fish in the Mumbai underworld but broad fingers are pointing towards elements in Pakistan now. The list of casualty also has many Muslims in it.
@ Sahil Khan,
1. Colonization is pretty much the only good word for it. What other term is there for a century spent under the thumb of British agents who quite literally purchased Kashmir from their imperialist benefactors, and another 60 spent under a government that Invaded, defiying the expressed will of the people and violating the rulings of the popularly elected legslative assembly, and since then has suppressed even the population’s most basic democratic and human rights? Moreover, I think you’re utterly delusional if you actually believe that most of India doesn’t see it’s history
of British rule as colonzation.
2. As far as your spurious Urdu point is concerned, I don’t see any inherent contradiction between the two statements…I made it clear in the earlier post that upper and middle class Kashmiris can speak fluent Urdu, while I used the term “educated” instead in it last post. The two terms are virtually synonymous…especially in a place like the Valley, where most of the population isn’t even literate. Nice try though.
@ Girish,
I have heard the recordings on TV…and the accent is anything but “perfect Pakistani”. The only people I have ever heard speaking in a similar fashion are Indian Punjabis when attempting Urdu.
i don’t know why we would care where this is coming from. why not leave these debates to intelligence. All i know is that these men-whoever they may be and whatever their motive may be killed innocent people, ruthlessly murdered my fellow citizens, scared the children of my country and put me to shame as a fellow human who was helpless. I’m willing to fight them out, no matter what. their being hyderabdai or pakistani doesnt matter to me. Let’s stop talking and debating guys, lets act. these kind of debates just drain us of energy and become a useless channel for our anger, which can otherwise be expressed in constructive ways.
Koshur:
I know this is a deviation from the topic, but still -
India doesn’t rule Tamil Nadu, J&K, Punjab or Maharashtra. Quite the contrary – it’s Maharashtra, Punjab, J&K and Tamil Nadu that constitute and rule India. Constitutionally, J&K enjoys no less rights than the other Indian states. Ergo, J&K is not an Indian colony – it’s a state in the Indian federal republic, just like other Indian states.
A large, highly vocal, extremely violent (not to mention jehadist) section of the local population in Kashmir valley who have no aspirations to become a modern liberal democracy may want to secede from India. But just because they don’t “like” India doesn’t mean they have the right to secede from it. That right simply is not available under the Indian constitution.
This is not a deprivation that is peculiar to J&K. No other Indian state has the right to secede from the Indian republic. If anyone tries to, the Indian state is duty bound to take action. Neither is this a particularly Indian phenomenon. USA fought a bloody civil war when a large chunk tried to secede from the republic. Modern republics cannot survive (and consequently, protect the rights of their citizens) if they must cater to the whims and fancies of every other gang that wants to secede and establish their idea of a state.
India did fumble in handling the Kashmir problem, but please, if you want to know what an atrocity is, read up on what the Japanese did in Nanking, Chinese in Tibet, the Americans in Vietnam, Pakistan in Bangladesh, Saddam in Kurdistan or Russia in Chechnya. If India had done anything even remotely similar, given the sterling incompetence of the Indian state, Kashmir would have been long gone.
Not a necessarily bad thing in my opinion, BTW.
And the only people I have ever heard speaking like this are Pakistani Punjabis or Mirpuris when they try to attempt to sprinkle in some Hindi words they have heard in Indian movies. It was obvious to me that this was an Urdu speaker. Other than the “z” sounds, the pronunciation of Urdu words was perfect. Most Indians do not take the effort (or don’t know how) to pronounce the “qaf” or “khe” sounds correctly. But this guy did. His pronunciation of Hindi words was unlike anything I have seen an Indian, including an Indian Punjabi do.
I have an idea. Here’s a practical way in which WE the people can fight alongside our heroes who fought in Mumbai. While they fought with bullets, scalpels and fire-hoses, however, we will fight through the only democratic weapon we have – propagan.. er, I mean, free speech!
Here goes. Have you noticed how *everything* evil needs a sense of deep injustice, of victimization to thrive? The Laskhars need to convince people that Muslims are being butchered in India by the tens of thousands to flame hatred and gather support. The Hindu extremists need to constantly remind the Hindus of their so-called 1000 year servitude to Muslims, the partition and the on-going terrorist attacks against Hindus. The Nazis had their list of complaints against the jews.
What we can do is to convey the message amongst our respective communities, wherever possible, that while things could be better, they are not nearly as bad as they’re made out to be. Call them out on their tactic, drain the fuel that the fire of hatred and pseudo-righteousness feeds on.
For example, if in a prominent Muslim publication you see that India is being implicated as persecuting its Muslims, state very clearly that India’s problems are India’s own, it’s an ongoing struggle for the Indian people, and we’re perfectly capable of taking care of it ourselves. Similarly, if you see a Hindu extremist-vadi going on and on about partition, Pakistani flags in cricket (for God’s sake!!!), UCC, tell very clearly that the issue is being vastly overstated and irrelevant, that Hindus don’t have any monopoly on patriotism, and that you have come across plenty of Muslims who’re as concerned about India as any other Indian. If any Hindu is trying to flame anti-Muslim sentiments for the supposed sake of India, please do make a point of telling him that he is attacking his own fellow Indians and that is as anti-Indian as an activity can get.
In any case, use the idea of India to defeat your own tribe’s jingos. Trust in it – our founding fathers knew what they were talking about when they chose “Truth alone triumphs” as our country’s motto. The ideas that our nation is founded on are strong – but they are most effective when we combine our moral power to use them. A Muslim arguing with a Hindu is not as effective as a Muslim arguing with a Muslim, and vice-versa.
By an Indian,
From my childhood,I have always had very high admiration for muslims by seeing their personal discipline and keeping their religion to themselves…But when I entered college,I found some muslims who were celebrating when pakistan won their cricket match against India…I doubt their Indianness…Im afraid when we wage a war against Pakistan,they will turn into fifth column and wage a internal proxy war against our country….(U may tell that Pakistan is their favourite cricketing country just like australia for some of my friends but Patriotism is wanting the nation to win in each and every field.Those people dont support AUS in the INDIA-AUS match).
I dont doubt their Indianness when people refuse to sing Vandematharam, But when some people want India to lose,I doubt their Indianness…..I want these people to leave my country…I dont care whether they are hindu,muslim or christian…
I also dont want Bajrang Dal and I want them extradited from India….even though they cry foul on nationalism they are anti-national….
I admire Akbar even more than Ashoka and see them as Indian Heroes(rather than Muslims)….
I have a question to Indian Muslims…Is Muslim brotherhood more important than Fellow Indians?..U strongly defend Pakistan when we attack on Terrorism…U speak about glory of Arab rulers rather than INdian Muslim Rulers…..
I want muslims to fight for development and join the mainstream…I want them to stand next to other Indians in fighting the enemy…..I dont want them to condemn terrorist attacks but stand next to us and support India in facing the enemy….
I want the Muslims to Join the Armed Forces and fight for the country…. We need rearvation for muslims in this regard.
Arun Nair,
This is completely off topic.
“A large, highly vocal, extremely violent (not to mention jehadist) section of the local population in Kashmir valley who have no aspirations to become a modern liberal democracy may want to secede from India.”
This is mostly just ignorant, bigoted hogwash that I’m not even going dignify with a response.
“But just because they don’t “like” India doesn’t mean they have the right to secede from it. That right simply is not available under the Indian constitution.”
No international body, and no nation other than India itself recognizes the Indian claim over Kashmir. All your tantrums aren’t going to change the fact that Kashmir, unlike any Indian state, is a disputed territory, and not a “integral part of India” trying to secede.
What happened in Mumbai is horrible .There are no words to describe
my sorrow.No words to describe what I feel about our politicians.
But lets ask ourselves the following questions?
1)why is it that the Govt of India ,whoever in charge of the governance
have not taken any step? After Sep 11th attacks ,Americans rose up
as one nation ,not as Jews,christians or muslims or as texans or californains.
When are we ever going to stand up for our country?
why is it that we have hundreds of political parties with thousands of ideologies
and empty promises.How come USA with 2 parties is doing just fine ?
Where have as democracry failed ?
Terrorists are going to strike us over and over again.If this is about
Kashmir why not start a national debate on this ? Is the nation today
suffering for the lack of foresight of our forefathers,Gandhi and Nehru ?
Who created the mess ?How are we resolve the Kashmir issue?
If its not about Kashmir and Pakistan just has an agenda to destabilise the
country ,how are to resolve the issue?Wars have not resolved it.
Can the people of Pakistan and India stand up and say ,enough is enough ?
Pull up the politicians of both the countries and bring them to justice ?
Lets remember whether the terrorists are islamic jehadists or not
people who lost their lives in any terrorist attacks follow many
religions.Some dont follow any.Why are people fighting about “GOD”
no one has seen ,less has any iota of experience.
When the following question was asked about Obama:Is he a muslim?
I said ,so what.What he does in his home and in his church,temple or mosque or synagogue or
burial ground is not my problem.Is he a honest President ?Is he committed to his
country`s welfare is all I want to know.what anyone does with their faith is not
my business.Being a christian is not going to make him a better man.
Being a muslim is not going make him any less worthy of the job.
Bottom line is unless we seperate our faith and state,unless we elect
politicians not on religious lines but based on their integrity and efficiency
we are going to have these problems over and over again .
All my life I grew up in a predominantly muslim neighbourhood and
all I received was love and respect .Indian muslims enmass do not
have to say sorry or condemn terrorsits,who came from somewhere else.
I am not going to apologise for Bal Thackeray.No sorry.Indian muslims
or any muslim who is not part of any violent acts dont have to condemn
or apologise everytime there is a terrorist attack.
My son asked me today:Amma will you agree if I married a muslim.
I told him:Yes,if you love her and cherish her and take care of her.
I also told that the question itself is absurd.
He is just 14.What made him ask that question?what is he hearing outside my
beautiful home .Thats what we need to stop.
Educate our children to be good human beings.Thats all that matters.
What religion they follow or not is not something I care about.
Diva:
To kickstart the free-speech campaign..
> cricket
People in India can support any cricket team they wish. Wishing India to lose a match is not really all that an unpatriotic thing.
> U strongly defend Pakistan when we attack on Terrorism…U speak about glory of Arab rulers rather than INdian Muslim Rulers
Again, I personally have never come across any Indian Muslim doing this. Lets not stoop to silly generalizations. And even if some do, they have every right to.
> I want muslims to fight for development and join the mainstream…I want them to stand next to other Indians in fighting the enemy
And I want you to be a bit less patronizing towards your own fellow citizens!
Koshur:
May not be completely off-topic after all, since the carnage in Mumbai was done in the name of the glorious Kashmiri freedom struggle, among other things.
> This is mostly just ignorant, bigoted hogwash that I’m not even going dignify with a response.
I think you already did by stating that there effectively *is* no response. LeT, Hizbul and Jaish as liberal democrats? Please. The only thing standing between terrorists and a complete talibanization of the Kashmir valley is the Indian constitution.
> No international body, and no nation other than India itself recognizes the Indian claim over Kashmir. All your tantrums aren’t going to change the fact that Kashmir, unlike any Indian state, is a disputed territory, and not a “integral part of India” trying to secede.
International bodies are irrelevant when it comes to how the Indian republic should be governed. The only authority here is the Indian constitution as far as India is concerned.
You’re reducing Indian presence in Kashmir as a mere land grabbing. If that were the case, Bhutan and Nepal would have been part of India a long time ago!
The problem here is that India just like any other constitutional republic is duty bound to stop secession of territories that its constitution recognizes as members of the Indian union.
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